Whitestar Future in Tera

DISCLAIMER : this discussion speak about the TERA project of Whitestar. Not Whitestar itself who is eternal and will never die.


Greeting everyone!

Time for a long speech, and important decisions. I would like to be sure you will read my wall of text to the end, think about it, and share your opinion.
The news : Peter - Thremero and Orson are leaving the guild for their reasons that they will explain separately and that I can understand even if I deplore it (Told them already what I think about it)

Now, it's time for a important decision, and I'll need YOU, all of YOU old members and new members, and even trials to decide it with me : shall we continue Whitestar and fight for it? Or shall we end it now, as we will be remembered as a brillant guild in Samael?
Wall of text inc

I'm working to build Whitestar since 2009. And I'm working for Whitestar TERA project since april 2011. First alone, then with Peter, then with Peter and Majiin before other members joined arround february and put their effort into the project, like Karnee and Michal. All I've done on internet since april 2011 had been done with the ultimate purpose of becoming a brillant guild in Tera.May it be my work for A2Tera fansite, +1 Internet, my youtube videos, my forum spamming in all gaming communities possible, alpha&beta testing etc... Somehow, I've achieved what I wanted. Was too short for my taste by was a success nonetheless.
I guess you can understand the energy, the attention, the worries I've put into this project. I've for this, neglected many aspect of my life (both virtual and real ). Whitestar has always been my top priority in my free time. And it should not have be the case all the time.

All of this to tell you that I'm tired. Without Majiin, without Amuatama, without Peter now, and without my dear twin soul (who isn't fan of Tera and play it to indulge me), that's a lot of reasons gone for fighting and my motivation is dropping. I can fight for Whitestar, I can continue of course. But I want to be sure it's worth the effort. I can fight for poeple, but not for a name.
I'll not "save" Whitestar, spend hours of work, worries, and all my energy and soul for the sake of the name. I'll not continue to endlessly replace the hole let by our missing people by fresh blood. Yes of course, it's possible. But it's an endless combat. You will always have people going unactive and you will always have to replace them. Why continue to do that? To save our name?
I've achived my ambtion : we had been brillant for a while and we will be remebered as a wonderful guild.
I'd hate Whitestar degenerate..becoming unactive step by step, seeing members leaving the ones after the others, or becoming something completly different because there is no one left from the core.
Whitestar deserve better than that.

So, it's very simple : either we continue Whitestar, but it will requiere restructuration, and a lot of dedication from all of you, members left. And when I say lot of dedication : I mean you will have to be responsible, share the job, and do it well. Are you ready for it? Do you have the time, the will, and the energy for it? If you say yes, it's a promise, an engagement.
Either we disband Whitestar when the Election change. We will stay friends, we will stay Whitestarian in our heart, and we will have this forum still to chill out and share our memories. Mayb e we will join the same guild on Samael. There is many possibilities and none of them are sad.

So I ask you, dear Whitestarian, to take your weight your decision and say it. I will not fight alone. I don't want fight alone. I've given enough and now I want my share of rest.
I'll fight if you fight with me. But if - for extremly legitim reasons- you don't want to fight, then say it. So we can end Whitestar in a brillant way.
Note that I'll be missing for 10 days from 20 to 30 july. The next days I'll be relatively unactive cause I want to spend time with my boyfriend before he leave for Norway the 12. So you see, I'll need you to figth immediatly if it's what you choose. Be sure to take the rigth decision.
For Brolic and Happyfeet : sorry guys that you just joined now. I need to warn you : I dubt that Whitestar, no matter what we do, will ever be competitive in PVP. The only ones who really enjoyed PVP are moving away. As you joined with this hopes in mind, you may have to revise your choice.


Thanks for reading; Be sure to choose well.

My feeling : at this stage I'm more in favour to end Whitestar. I think the work and the effort will be too important. And I'd hate to see Whitestar degenerate. I prefer to see it ending when we are at the top, than at the bottom.

My Motivation to play dropped considerably after some events took place Additionally I had to care of my neglected RL Friends and had some backlog of games I really wanted to try
I feel abit guilty for not putting that much time into Tera anymore when i read wendys post though

I am really sorry to see you post this wendy because I know how much time and effort you and others have put into everything. Sadly lolli and me couldnt be as active as I expected/hoped because of a busy RL. This wont change so I cant make any promises. I really appreciate what you built and wish it would have been a few years back in time

No matter what happens...thank you!

Since I dont play Tera anylonger I can't really vote for anything. But since I don't play I do vote for a disband of WhitestarTera.
And Elloa, huge hugs and courage

Have to agree with Elloa, though its really depressing at a time like this (new promising members and people hitting 60).

amuatama wrote:My Motivation to play dropped considerably after some events took place Additionally I had to care of my neglected RL Friends and had some backlog of games I really wanted to try
I feel abit guilty for not putting that much time into Tera anymore when i read wendys post though

Yeah, just shows how much the old members actually cared about the guild anyway. In the end it was only me, yima wendy and Shiro from the oldest members left. The ones that actually give a shit about a succesfull guild and not lazy people getting the free ride.

I don't think Whitestar should disband.
The lack of patches has been dreadful, severely damaging my will to play (not counting the real life things that kept me busy for a bit). Hopefully the new patch turns this around.
I can't imagine playing another MMO, TERA has the best combat I've seen in a MMO and Guild Wars 2 is simply too quest focused for my taste.

Here's to hoping that the new patch breathes some fresh air into TERA-EU.

Acharial wrote:

amuatama wrote:My Motivation to play dropped considerably after some events took place Additionally I had to care of my neglected RL Friends and had some backlog of games I really wanted to try
I feel abit guilty for not putting that much time into Tera anymore when i read wendys post though

Yeah, just shows how much the old members actually cared about the guild anyway. In the end it was only me, yima wendy and Shiro from the oldest members left. The ones that actually give a shit about a succesfull guild and not lazy people getting the free ride.

Why bring that attitude up at this moment? Don't you think it's a bit exaggerated to claim that people finding Tera less fun than hoped = lazy people getting a free ride?

Sidori wrote:

Acharial wrote:

amuatama wrote:My Motivation to play dropped considerably after some events took place Additionally I had to care of my neglected RL Friends and had some backlog of games I really wanted to try
I feel abit guilty for not putting that much time into Tera anymore when i read wendys post though

Yeah, just shows how much the old members actually cared about the guild anyway. In the end it was only me, yima wendy and Shiro from the oldest members left. The ones that actually give a shit about a succesfull guild and not lazy people getting the free ride.

Why bring that attitude up at this moment? Don't you think it's a bit exaggerated to claim that people finding Tera less fun than hoped = lazy people getting a free ride?

He said some events took place, aka the previous guild drama. Nothing implies about the game being boring. Leaving or going innactive as a mentor is not appropriate anyway.

I'm not surprised you woke up from the slumber anyway! Feel free to make your insults heard, the hand is listening. ^.^

Acharial wrote:

amuatama wrote:My Motivation to play dropped considerably after some events took place Additionally I had to care of my neglected RL Friends and had some backlog of games I really wanted to try
I feel abit guilty for not putting that much time into Tera anymore when i read wendys post though

Yeah, just shows how much the old members actually cared about the guild anyway. In the end it was only me, yima wendy and Shiro from the oldest members left. The ones that actually give a shit about a succesfull guild and not lazy people getting the free ride.

Here peter again trying to provoke with an ad hominem argument
dont take yourself that important btw your hostile attitude is only a minor inconvenience
Hoepfully we can get back on topic again aka dont feed the troll

I'm very sorry that we ended up in this situation. Although I fully understand why this is, I still feel pretty bad about it.
I also feel sad for Wendy, having given so much of herself to make this guild work, and to have to quit while Whitestar is socially the most succesful and admired guild on Samael.

TBH I think Tera is a fun game to play (I really loved my Warrior), but not a great game. I don't feel the same excitement when playing Tera, as I did with for example WOW.
The Tera world seems a bit 'empty' to me, like walking in a Hollywood street: all pretty facades, but nothing behind it. Maybe I'm just not used to playing Asian style games.
With GW2 on the horizon, I'm not sure if I will be playing Tera much after my vacation in August. Also because GW2 is F2P and Tera needs a subscription.

But even if I will not be playing Tera much, I will always feel part of Whitestar, and will be active on our forum, as also to me Whitestar is much bigger than just the latest game.

I do hope that our guild Whitestar will stay on Samael, and not be deleted. To me it feels more like Whitestar is hibernating, and not degenerating.
Who knows when Tera also becomes F2P, we might still come together sometimes with our good old Whitestar banners

And a last word: please keep it civil guys, its no use to blame each other for this. Shit sometimes just happens

amuatama wrote:

Acharial wrote:

amuatama wrote:My Motivation to play dropped considerably after some events took place Additionally I had to care of my neglected RL Friends and had some backlog of games I really wanted to try
I feel abit guilty for not putting that much time into Tera anymore when i read wendys post though

Yeah, just shows how much the old members actually cared about the guild anyway. In the end it was only me, yima wendy and Shiro from the oldest members left. The ones that actually give a shit about a succesfull guild and not lazy people getting the free ride.

Here peter again trying to provoke with an ad hominem argument
dont take yourself that important btw your hostile attitude is only a minor inconvenience
Hoepfully we can get back on topic again aka dont feed the troll

Could you please reply with proper paragraphs and grammar. I seriously can't understand what you are trying to say. I don't have to take myself too important, I already am I considering Wendy even wrote in her post about it, read it?

Acharial wrote:I'm not surprised you woke up from the slumber anyway! Feel free to make your insults heard, the hand is listening. ^.^

I'm not surprised to see you reply with snarky comments and avoiding an actual answer. Please don't try to belittle anyone, I wasn't out for blood - I was simply wondering if it really was necessary to try and pawn people off as "lazy".

If you want to make yourself heard in a meaningful way, you should try to respond to what they're saying instead of just insulting them for something irrelevant/unrelated.

Sidori wrote:

Acharial wrote:I'm not surprised you woke up from the slumber anyway! Feel free to make your insults heard, the hand is listening. ^.^

I'm not surprised to see you reply with snarky comments and avoiding an actual answer. Please don't try to belittle anyone, I wasn't out for blood - I was simply wondering if it really was necessary to try and pawn people off as "lazy".

If you want to make yourself heard in a meaningful way, you should try to respond to what they're saying instead of just insulting them for something irrelevant/unrelated.

I was not even trying to make myself heard, I was merely stating the case. Just saying as a mentor leaving without even saying a thing is what ruins the guild. Leaving without a word is disrespectful. If he cared about whitestar he would atleast help us fix it. In the end it was only me and Wendy fighting for it and that reached its limit.

Acharial wrote:I was not even trying to make myself heard, I was merely stating the case.

Same thing.

Acharial wrote:Just saying as a mentor leaving without even saying a thing is what ruins the guild. Leaving without a word is disrespectful. If he cared about whitestar he would atleast help us fix it. In the end it was only me and Wendy fighting for it and that reached its limit.

See, that's more like it - a legitimate problem like this should be considered. Just don't go about insulting people, even if you're mad at them - it doesn't do anyone any good. Not trying to point fingers or blame anyone, just puhhhhlease keep it civil (everyone).

Acharial wrote:...

I was not even trying to make myself heard, I was merely stating the case. Just saying as a mentor leaving without even saying a thing is what ruins the guild. Leaving without a word is disrespectful. If he cared about whitestar he would atleast help us fix it. In the end it was only me and Wendy fighting for it and that reached its limit.

I didnt talk to you about my absence for the simple reason that every time i tried to talk to you in the skypechannel in the previous two months the only thing you did is irrational personal attacks like you just displayed already in this very thread

that however doesnt mean i havent talk about my absence with other people

P.S that is the last thing i will post about this i would be glad if we could get back to the topic at hand now

I do not think we should dispand.

Not really sure what else to say

Please don't make my characters hobo's

amuatama wrote:

Acharial wrote:...

I was not even trying to make myself heard, I was merely stating the case. Just saying as a mentor leaving without even saying a thing is what ruins the guild. Leaving without a word is disrespectful. If he cared about whitestar he would atleast help us fix it. In the end it was only me and Wendy fighting for it and that reached its limit.

I didnt talk to you about my absence for the simple reason that every time i tried to talk to you in the skypechannel in the previous two months the only thing you did is irrational personal attacks like you just displayed already in this very thread

that however doesnt mean i havent talk about my absence with other people

P.S that is the last thing i will post about this i would be glad if we could get back to the topic at hand now

If you haven't missed it we have a topic about people being abscent. Never said you have to talk to me personally about it. Just a message in the topic that you are abscent for personal reasons are more then enough, but then again we are back at caring about the community. The hypocriticism is high in you, always speaking about sub groups and how you hate them and how the community is so awesome and what do you do? Speak to only a handfull of people that you are abscent, the mentor. \o/

FYI: If I wasn't important why would we have this discussion about disbanding the guild as soon as I left. Feeling jelly because it didn't disband because you left? Please go home.

Two pages of insults in a thread where we are supposed to decide about our future. How awesome.
I was considering to heavily moderate and delete all unrelated threads concerning the discussion, but I'll just let them there.


Now I'd like continue to hear your advice, members left in Whitestar. What do you want? What do you wish?

I've said what I wanted; You know what I'm capable off. I can put a lot of energy if I've faith. I need your reaction to have faith. Considering that all "old" members have left for a reasons or another, I need to know, if I can fight for you, the new members...or if it will be wasted energy and efforts. Hope you understand my position today!

I know i'm new, and i dont know if i should have a say in this, but i DON'T want to disband. I joined Whitestar because i thought you guys have created a fantastic community, and as stated in my application, is exactly what i'm looking for.

But i really cant understand why you(refering to the group that left), who were mostly officers and the GM from what i can see, wuld leave for the reasons you did, which is PvP, as i have understood. I don't know if it is beacuse i'm new, and i haven't been up to date with what has happened with the guild, but to me it really seems that you haven't done much to make Whitestar what you obviously want it to be, a PvP-focused guild. You are/were the leading people in this guild, and basicaly could have made it whatever you wanted it to be, PvP, social or PvE-endagame oriented. Why couldnt you have stayed, recruited PvP-oriented members and really try to make Whitestar one of the leading PvP-guilds on the server? As far as i can tell, you haven't done any GvG before i joined, or atleast very few, so i dosen't seem like you have tried.

And i want to say that this is only my opinion, and you can feel free to answer my questiones or not, but i simply dont understand why you would leave the great comuntiy that you have allready created in Whitestar, just like that. I was actually looking forward to trying to help make the guild more PvP-focused when i reached max-level.

But anyways, i do not want to disband Whitestar, and i would love to help you out Elloa, but its all up to you, because i think you are the soul of this guild, and that it stands or falls on you.

Best regards,

Magnus/Bolic

It's sad to see the older members leave the Tera guild or not be playing anymore/atm, It must be much more say for you Wendy

I have enjoyed my time at Whitestar since my short time with you on SWtoR then into Tera beta and into Launch and my plan is to stay right here in Whitestar.

For me I prefer to contribute to the guild from within the game like being Guild Tailor, or helping people be it lower lvl's or a dungeon/BAM grp or joining an event. I am very active and still enjoy Tera very much

Acharial wrote:Feeling jelly because it didn't disband because you left? Please go home.

If you have a legitimate complaint, that's fine. This insulting/trolling is getting out of hand though. Disagree with other's opinions all you want, but I want to know - will you stop with the insults or not?

I haven't been in the guild for very long, as i'm still a trial. But my time spend was great.

Personally, i think the people who left are being naïve to believe they will actually find more active PvP elsewhere.
The playerbase has been dropping significantly because of the lack of pve content and/or more dynamic events, in addition to not having BGs.
From the events i've joined i noticed Wendy puts her heart and soul into those PvP events and those are frankly the only reliable forms of PvP i've found lately.
Due to the small playerbase you will not find a competitive community anymore. EU forums are filling up with big guilds disbanding or rapidly losing members.

This same reason puts me in a predicament. Disbanding the guild now will just make another dent in the community, but keeping the guild doesn't seem it will have much of a future when the playerbase keeps dropping. Especially when GW2 comes out next month.
Personally i would have to agree with Elloa, the effort and time required to keep the guild running at this stage does not seem to match the reward it will provide when people continously leave due to the lack of content. Even i am often thinking of not renewing my subscription because there is not much to do.

Either way, i really appreciate the opportunity i had here and i had a great time.

Samael need a guild to keep up the community. And Whitestar is that guild!

Edit: And I dont like world PvP ^^

This is a hard question and something we should not bring up to much here. But ingame so we can discuss what we need to do for it to be alive and fun
so hopefully people have read this and are aware of what we face.
Now we would need for people to get online and discuss this instead of leaving it at just the forum.