Republic - Empire - Poll n°4

Heya! Long time we didn't had a poll, right?
So why are we making a new poll? To be sure that everyone is happy. To be sure that we will stick together as a community and not beeing splitted. Whatever the descision will be after this poll, we will stick together. It will be up to anyone to question himself at this point : what matter the most? My choice, or the community I belong to? We do hope that you will stay with us.

Lately it has been spoken a lot to make Republic alt. It has also been spoken a lot that Republic was "more fun" : less people but more mature population, better PVP community. Some players are tired of Empire already. And it has been spoken a lot aswell, that some players, including old Empire fanatics would reconsider their side allegiance if they could. A lot of Whitestar members had also originaly voted Republic. Remember our epics polls.

So a Republic alt guild had been created.

We have played SWTOR for one month. We have a good overview of the game, of what's possible, what's not. Maybe today, it will be easier to take a final descision and stick with it no matter what?

Please, vote the poll seriously, after have considered longly your answer. Here you have explanations of each choices.
This poll will be open for three days OR until everyone has voted. During those three days, we wil continue to discuss other aspect of the guild and take descisions concerning end game and guild organisation. Continue to share your advices, voice your opinion!


1. Empire and only Empire
End game is exclusively organised on this side. To create Republic alt is not forbidden, but should not be encouraged. Well, basicly nothing changes.

2. Empire main - Republic alt
Empire is our main guild, where our main character are. We organise end game in this guild.
To create an alt in the Republic guild, is really up to anyone and will not be enforced. Once Republic alt get lvl 50, some very casual and just for the laugh end game event could be organised.

3. Republic main - Empire alt
Same as above, but the other way arround. Exept in that case, our old mains become alts. Will they become forgotten and taking dust? Will they be played? Will we organise just for the laugh some Operation between Imps alts? We will see, but Empire will no more be our focus.

4. Empire-Republic both main
You want both or you can't decide? It still possible to have both guild with the right organisation. For example : Monday-Tuesday = Empire days -- Wednesday-Thursday = Republic days. Weekend = 1 week Imps, 1 week pub. Too complicated? Not really. Just poke on skype if you ahve a dubt.

5. Play now, decide later
Let's play 1 month republic and decide after what side will be our main side.
This might be the wisest descision for those that changes btheir mind all the time anyway (no no ,I'm not looking at anyone in particular). However, this will requiere patience as our final descision would only be taken in february.


Important precision : when we count the votes, the votes 1 and the votes 2 are counted together and not separatly as both are voting for Empire. Then we look if 1 win over 2 (or the countrary) to decide.
There is not a same alternative for Republic as we have already started to play Empire. SO Republic voters have only 1 choice, and Empire voters have two choices.

Empire is our main guild, where our main character are. We organise end game in this guild.
To create an alt in the Republic guild, is really up to anyone and will not be enforced.
well written

I've myself voted blank. My reasons :

- I want the guild stick together. I want the guild flourish, and get established somewhere, somehow. I want us to be happy together.
- I've reasons for and against both side. So my choice doens't really matter. I can be happy with the result whatever it is.
- I will not create a Pub alt if we stick Empire. Not before my main character is "finished"
- Once we have taken our descision, I really want the debate closed for ever.

After playing Empire for sometime I realised quite fast that it wasn't for me entirely. I never have rerolled so many times in my life in a game due to not finding an interesting class to play or simply becuaes the story doesn't fit me. I'm a carebear at heart and therefor republic suits me better, and after trying it for real I'm totally hooked.

I'm a carebear at heart and well... I just can't get to love my empire characters as mcuh. I do enjoy the Warrior story the most over there but the JK story fits me so much better.

This is my opnion and the most honest I can give. I voted Republic main, Empire alt.

Would be awesome if everyone that voted would explain their choice. I've updated my reasons, added a little thing.

Voted empire only. It's very annoying and discourageing to log on and see 3 or 4 ppl in guild. I hope this gets sorted out sooner rather than later. It should have been put to bed before game launch, especially after 3 previous rounds of voting and certainly before opening recruitment.
I can't help but think that those still pushing for change so soon after the previous set of votes are acting a little selfishly.

I vote for republic with emp alts.
Reasons are many mostly personal But I will follow the guild no matter what

I vote Republic main - Empire alt.

Short version:
I made an alt on republic with Amua, I really enjoyed it.
Remade my Tank as a Jedi Knight, Loved it.
I like the story better, the community has so far - been better, and I really enjoy the lightside a lot more.

Longer version:
When we first decided to open up these polls, the choices went back and forth from day one.
The impression I got , was the most wanted to roll Republic, but yet - we ended up with Empire. Now, I loved this. And I still do.
You really gotta try both sides to know where you wanna stay, and I knew this day would come.
Our polls showed us the results, and it seemed like the first , strong opinions , faltered. And got more into "meh". It seemed, to me at least, that more and more didn't care, but they really wanted Republic the most.
I know Peter, Mathias, Petter, Tuukka, and so many more, was set on going Republic from day 1. But still, they caved in, and decided to roll Empire - for the greater good.

Today, we stand here as a half a community. Some never made it into the game, cause of the choice. Some rerolled Republic alone. And some aren't even playing any more, after one month.
Now, what can we do about this?
We do a new poll, and see what people want, and I ask you , humbly for your OWN, HONEST, opinion.

And I hope only , we decide on this Together.

Kinjazor wrote:Voted empire only. It's very annoying and discourageing to log on and see 3 or 4 ppl in guild. I hope this gets sorted out sooner rather than later. It should have been put to bed before game launch, especially after 3 previous rounds of voting and certainly before opening recruitment.
I can't help but think that those still pushing for change so soon after the previous set of votes are acting a little selfishly.

I see your point, and I can understand the frustration.
But in any new MMO, this is bound to happen - sadly.
Though, we could probably have done more about it.

But, 90% of those "pushing" for a change is people who wanted Republic from the very start, but decided to push that aside.
I'm just amazed that they (me included) didn't speak up sooner.

I won't even say anything. Make up your minds.

But, 90% of those "pushing" for a change is people who wanted Republic from the very start, but decided to push that aside.
I'm just amazed that they (me included) didn't speak up sooner.

Sorry majin but after 3 polls for the empire this is a very flawed argument

I agree that people need to play what they like otherwise it could lead to bad blood

On the other side however to ask for a Guild Reroll(and to be clear i dont mean a character reroll) is unfair against the People that are enyoing leveling and very uneccesary after 3 empire polls

to a short reply shorter.
Sticking with my first vote, republic main, empire alt

Empire was fun, but i am a republican at heart!
but in the end, i will stick with my whitestarrers no matter where you go. I must have someone to bug with my bad humour after all!

I understand the reaction of Kinjazor. He joined a already "made and established Empire" guild, and nothing prepared him for a faction change. (same for Ruth, Magnus and Kantrell)
So, really Kinja, your case is very particular. I really do hope that you will not end up mad whatever the conclusion of this poll is. Your own decision will be respected no matter what aswell, considering your case. I'd understand if you prefered to stick with your character than the community (it's after all not long we are making aquaintance), even if I hope you will stick with the group choice.

I also understand very well Amu reaction.


I do hope that we will end in a decision that will please the majority. I really would like to see everyone feeling good in this descision, and that no one think it's unfair.

This poll is not unfair, even if it might be inconvenient. When we did the first three poll, we didn't had played the game. Now we have experimented it. Some might have good reasons to revise their choices. Like quality of population, PVP, or storylines.

All I want is to preserve the harmony in our community, and see everyone satisfied with our choice. I really hate when I hear someone sight "if only we had been on that side...."
Now, this is the dosnside of democracy. Lot of back and forth and discussion. Dictature is easier on that matter. But I've not the shoulders for that.

I voted to follow the majority. I'm just gonna sit back and let whoever has a super strong opinion about it make up their minds.

So any volunteers that will head up the empire guild since majin will be busy with the rep guild ?

If they are up for it i thought of maybe Fredrik or kinjazor

Amuatama wrote:So any volunteers that will head up the empire guild since majin will be busy with the rep guild ?

If they are up for it i thought of maybe Fredrik or kinjazor

This will be something the Officers of Whitestar will talk about when , and if , the time is right.

Like many others, I choose to follow guild how it is. But I decide to follow the trail I have followed since the first vote, the side of republic. For this reason, that all classes are interesting, not just my main class. Then I can have alternate classes on the same side.

Majiinfreddy wrote:

Amuatama wrote:So any volunteers that will head up the empire guild since majin will be busy with the rep guild ?

If they are up for it i thought of maybe Fredrik or kinjazor

This will be something the Officers of Whitestar will talk about when , and if , the time is right.

understood sir

I voted to go where the guild goes - I dont mind re-rolling on Rep side if thats where most people are going to be. But id rather know sooner than later :-)

Is there a guild set-up there already?

Ill be a Smuggler if we do go Rep fulltime - Ill just finish the IA storyline as time passes.

Kantrell wrote:I voted to go where the guild goes - I dont mind re-rolling on Rep side if thats where most people are going to be. But id rather know sooner than later :-)

Is there a guild set-up there already?

Ill be a Smuggler if we do go Rep fulltime - Ill just finish the IA storyline as time passes.

There is a Republic guild set up, yes.
Disclaimer: This does not mean we have officially decided to go republic , this guild serves as an Alt-guild in any matter.
There are some people playing, even as we speak, whisper Béatrix (or Ledon, if you can't write fancy letters!) for invite.

I am inclined to agree with hubby, but I have voted Empire main, Pubby alt. I have a lvl 6 consular that I have spoken about in /g. It's nice to have the option to play an alt with same guildies as I do like all in guild...but it's my alt, I struggle to lvl it as even in the starter zone I have seen so much bad-RP on Republic side, everyone wants to be the superhero and noone wants to be a slightly odd ordinary person. TBH I am just waiting for someone to say they're actually dragonkin.

I love Empire side, I love the chance that you can be quite devious without having to justify it or working from the inside for reform (char storywise anyway). I also really like my character and his companions.

I wouldn't want anyone to be unhappy and at a tenner a month they should play whatever character they like best, but maybe more recruitment should be opened so that there is a sense of community instead of everyone being split/divided. Having two guilds for both factions with core groups on each sides makes sense will give everyone the chance to play the chars they like and the alt they want to, when they want to. And if we use a vent/skype/mumble w/e server as well as the forums both sides can integrate the sense of community.

Anyway my $0.02 worth. If folks are unhappy in guild then they will become demoralised and rub off on others...

Acharial wrote:I'm a carebear at heart and well... I just can't get to love my empire characters as mcuh.

Yep same here. Chak'Ra is feisty and cute, but I'm having trouble identifying myself with a 'nasty' character. I guess that makes me a lousy RP'er
So I also voted Republic main.

Well I'm goan be blunt, as a always. I'm staying Empire, if the rest are going for Republic mains I'm not gona hang around in an alt guild with not even enough people to creat a normal 4-man FP group.

There are serveal flaws in most of the arguments here. I am well aware that it really dosen't matter what you guys end up with or where I end up as I probleby won't be welcome in the guild after this post to begin with.

Bassicly as Elloa said earlier I and couple others joined a Empire guild, the big thing about this is that I acctualy thought it was Republic pretty much untill the launch and I still decided to go with you guys, I'm sorry but not chaging my mind again.

In the post about rading and HM runs there have been couple of posts about not creating "sub-groups" and then a couple go make rep-atls who really aren't alts tbh considering that once you hit level 50 you pretty much stopped playing your main, I have no problems with people wanting an alt or even changing main atleast not as far as you aint raiding and need to keep a class balance in the guild.
How ever starting to spend most of your time in an other faction or on an other server, what happend with all the "no sub-groups" and "A great community to hang out and have fun"? Sorry but if your on the other side you aren't even able to chat with each other.

I don't want to come on as egoistic or elitejerk or anything like that even if I probleby will but seriusly you recruited as a Empire guild and now after not even 4 weeks you all go change your mind?

There are other factors to look at as well. I enjoy the whole "have a guild chat etc" but I also enjoy doing contet and being able to hang out with my guild mates, this isn't a game you hit level 50 in 2 days in unless you spacebar it all or play 24/7, when we started playing empire most had holidays and were able to play alot more then they are these days, starting over from scratch with no holidays or anything like that will mean it will take a lot longer for atleast some of us to hit 50 once again.
I know there are a few of you who apper to pretty much be playing 12-16 hours a day and I'm not telling you not do that if you enjoy it, how ever as mentioned be for, a big part of a guild for me is being able to hang and enjoy content and not just chat or run around in circles on Hutta.

Bassicly I belive that if you ever are going to be able to keep this "tight, friendly community feeling" that you have been talking about so much with 10 people split up in diffrent factions..... sorry I got no fucking ide how that at all would be possibal without doing restrictions like Elloa mentioned "wensdays - empire, thursdays - republic, etc".

I will be around the forums and probleby the guild to take all the flaming and questions you can come up with untill I get kicked out.

For those who still wana play empire and don't belive I'm the largest asshole in the world, you know my name.

I am confused also, 2 votes if you're Empire? I didn't get 2 votes, and even then I don't see how it matters. Quite a few people here are willing to go with the flow it seems, so why not go with the flow and make your vote count?

I really appreciate Aurrius' being so open and forthright and I haven't even gotten Julzak to 50 and I don't want to start with another main, I don't get as much play time as some other people. I love going through all the bits and bobs seeing as much as I can and I was looking forward to do heroics/pvp at lvl 50.

I really hope this doesn't cause resentment but tbh I do think I will be staying Empire.